Two Broke Chicks Podcast Episode #112: How to spot fake news and win every argument
Zee Feed Editor Crystal Andrews schools Sal and Al on finding credible sources, thinking critically and coming out on top in a debate.
Do you have a hard time telling the difference between fake and factual news? Maybe you’ve heard an influencer’s theory and wondered where the hell they got their info? Same, sis… Same!
To get to the bottom of it all, Sal and Al chat to journalist and Zee Feed editor Crystal Andrews. Crystal explains how to spot credible sources and why you should read news across the political spectrum (no matter how much it may enrage you).
Plus, Al finds out about social media fatigue, while Sal gets advice on how to win an argument with your boomer relative at the family Christmas party.
LISTEN TO EP #112
LINKS & RECEIPTS
- Follow Zee Feed on Instagram
- Read the latest headlines on Zee Feed
- Read 'How to Win Every Argument' by Crystal Andrews
Follow us on Instagram @twobrokechicks and on TikTok @twobrokechicks_
CREDITS
- Hosts: Sally McMullen and Alex Hourigan
- Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh
- Editor: Bamby Media
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Sally McMullen
Hey, I'm Sal.
Alex Hourigan
And I'm Al.
Sally McMullen
And this is Two Broke Chicks, the show sharing life lessons for the gals from the gals.
Alex Hourigan
Yep, we know that your 20s can be tough.
Sally McMullen
But we're hoping that this show will help make it that little bit easier, get you through it unscathed. We love to start the show with a life lesson that we've picked up during the week. So what have you got for me, Al?
Alex Hourigan
So you know the saying, 'Be there or be square'? You'd be square because you're not around.
Sally McMullen
Oh, my God. I always though it meant be there or be square like be a nerd, be a square.
Alex Hourigan
Be there or be square because you're not around.
Sally McMullen
I love that even more.
Alex Hourigan
Right?
Sally McMullen
I think we need to pepper that into our vocab a little more, now that we know the true origins.
Alex Hourigan
It's not that big of a life lesson but it blew my mind.
Sally McMullen
No, I don't think I'll ever be the same. Follow Two Broke Chicks, be there or be square.
Alex Hourigan
Yeah! That was my life lesson. I learned the true meaning behind that saying.
Sally McMullen
Hmm, thank you. Well, mine is just as serious.
Alex Hourigan
Okay, very good.
Sally McMullen
This isn't sponsored at all, but Woolworths Australia is quickly becoming one of my favourite TikTok accounts to follow. So it's run by this really dorky and cute checkout guy who gives like, five fun facts about the iconic woollies cakes or, you know, sneaky cash register hacks. And they're actually so funny and helpful. And this week, I learnt one of how you can check how busy your local woollies is from home. But rather than explaining it myself, I'm gonna let him do it.
TikTok Video
"Here is a shopping hack to know how busy your local Woolworths is at home. Search up Woolworths Q-Tracker and your postcode and it tells you how busy your store is and if there's any wait. You can find the information provided by the stores, whether that's how many people are in the store, how long it takes them to shop and queue wait times. My local store has got a zero minute wait. So I'm going to go and get some berries and cream. My mom laughs at my jokes. It's probably why I'm single."
Alex Hourigan
He's got a really good energy.
Sally McMullen
Right? I feel like we need to reach out and be friends with him. But I loved that particular tip because crowded supermarkets have been the bane of my existence my whole life. But also coming out of lockdown and being like a socially awkward turtle, my social battery can not handle it. So when I saw this, I was like you're really saving my life, kid.
Alex Hourigan
It's also just so stressful when there's like 5000 trolleys going every way and there's people being grumpy because they're trying to get to the freddo ice cream cake. It's me. You know? That's a great tip. I love that one.
Sally McMullen
You're welcome. All right, so it's time to get into our chat with Crystal. Crystal is a journalist, the author of the book, 'How to Win Every Argument' and the editor of The Independent digital publishers Zee Feed. Alex and I are both huge fans of Zee Feed because they break down news and pop culture and social issues in a way that is really easy for young people to understand and actually answers the questions that we really care about, and we want to know. And I think they do it better than you know, maybe some of the other traditional publications do out there. So big fans, but Crystal has also worked for a bunch of other big names, including Who What Wear, Pop Sugar and Daily Mail. So she has heaps of experience in traditional media too. And as well as her obvious talent for journalism and writing, what I really admire about Crystal is that she says that she's not "Hermione Granger smart" in air quotes, which I'm not necessarily convinced, because she is very intelligent. But she believes that being smart means having an opinion, thinking critically, and comes from a lot of reading and research. So you don't need to be a genius to stay informed. And that's what today's episode is all about, going to pick up some tips from Crystal. Hey, Crystal, welcome to Two Broke Chicks.
Crystal Andrews
Hi, thanks for having me on the podcast. I'm very excited to chat.
Sally McMullen
Can you tell us what inspired you to start Zee Feed in the first place?
Crystal Andrews
I have a younger sister who's 10 years younger than me, she makes me feel very old sometimes, but we are, despite the age gap, we're really similar in a lot of ways. And she's, you know, she's super intelligent and we have these really great discussions. And I remember a few years ago, we were kind of just talking about some news story, it was probably to do with climate change or lack of government action around that, and I asked her like, you know, where do you and your friends get your news from? Like, what are your kind of, go to places? And she said to me at the time that she didn't know what particular sources they would be, but she would just like consume whatever came across her kind of feed, right? Like, you click on a link on Facebook or you swipe up on a link, actually I don't know if Instagram had swipe up links then, but you know, you would just kind of see whatever came across your feed. And that is really true of her entire generation. She's a Gen Z. And I think for a lot of millennials, it's true for us to like, we're exposed to news at times that we're not necessarily looking for it, it kind of comes to us. And I've worked in media, you know, my whole career, I'm very embedded in this stuff. And I kind of thought, okay, like, there's a bit of a problem here, where, if you're not aware, and intentionally consuming news, it's difficult to understand because it hasn't really been made for you in mind. And you're not necessarily cognizant of, you know, what the biases that might be in play, like what's, you know, credible and what's not like, you're just kind of consuming it willy nilly. So the idea behind Zee Feed at that time was to kind of just have a hub on Instagram, where I would like explain, you know, one news story a day that was like, kind of important to Gen Z and young, millennial people. And it kind of, it grew out of there because there were a lot of things, I think that the news at that time, and probably still now is not getting right, when it comes to, you know, really explaining things and involving young people in the conversation.
Alex Hourigan
All ages now, but especially Gen Z are more plugged in, and have greater access to news than ever before. And obviously, there are some cons, but what are both the pros and cons of this for young people?
Crystal Andrews
The positives of this are the things that we're all kind of aware of. Now, that may be you know, people weren't as able to be connected with experiences that other people in other areas of the world had even other areas of this country have had. So I think there's undoubtedly positives that we're all becoming a little bit better informed, we all understand a little bit more about each other's experiences. And, you know, like, we can kind of find these great nuggets of inspiration or, or good news or something that's happening that we might never have been exposed to, in like much faster ways than before. So I think that's definitely a good thing. But the downside and something that I think about a lot, the pace is too fast, there is too much news. It's a 24, you know, hour cycle before a story, you know, gets picked up, churned up, spat out, and then we're over the other side of it. I think a lot of young people talk about experiencing this kind of like, whiplash. Particularly at the moment, it's like, every day, there is something awful happening, something horrible, some great tragedy in this world, that you feel like you need to care about. And then tomorrow, it's another thing. And then next week, it's another thing, you know, in the next month, it's another seven things. And I do think for a lot of people, it's like really difficult, you know, for intelligent, informed, caring, empathetic, young people, as we all are, to kind of see all these things and not be really greatly affected by it, and not kind of experienced that weird whiplash of like, you know, today, I've got to get really mad about this injustice that's happening and tomorrow it's a different injustice. And now I have to like, educate myself and research really deeply into this. I don't know that that's helpful or healthy for any of us, to be honest. But it's a real, I think it's a problem across, like, the broad spectrum of digital content. And not just news content, but all kinds of digital content.
Alex Hourigan
Do you think there's a pressure on young people, and those consuming this news content, to obviously care, but if you care, you have to have an actionable, like there's a pressure to always be signing a petition, donating to a cause and that can get really emotionally exhausting?
Crystal Andrews
Oh, absolutely. Like it's draining, right. And it's, it's a little bit of a controversial thing to say, like, you don't have to sign every petition. And not only that, you know, not all petitions are made equal, like not every signature is actually going to make a difference. Like there's probably more at play that people need to learn about and be educated on. It's like another thing that we've got to learn about what's the best way to do this, but there's definitely a lot of pressure. You know, I think even outside the media and news space, you see a lot of influences on social media who are kind of being encouraged, pressured, asked, I'm not sure what the right word for it is, but being asked by their followers to like, make some sort of statement to educate about like this international conflict or whatever it might be, and there is a lot out there, but it's like, who is the best person to be delivering this information? Does everybody need to be delivering it? Where are you getting your information from? I think it all is kind of very mixed up and murky at the moment. But I do feel like we're starting to get to a place where these issues are being pulled out a little bit more and we're kind of thinking a bit more critically about who needs to speak up, when, what's a good thing to get involved in and when is it okay to just take a break?
Sally McMullen
Oh my god, yeah. And after the last 18 months, especially, I feel like that is just true than ever. And we're becoming more aware that the internet is full of misinformation, because we've seen, you know, so many different whether it's a media publication or an influencer, it can be really hard to know, who to trust and where to go. So how can you tell the difference between fake news, you know, from credible sources, whether it is a media publication, or an influencer?
Crystal Andrews
My like, number one tip for this, but also just broadly, right, to be the most kind of intelligent, informed people that we can be. Unfortunately, it's not like a time saving hack. But I think the first thing to do is make sure you're reading a wide variety of sources, because even a lot of the, you know, diametrically opposed kind of news sources, The Australian on one very conservative side of the political spectrum, and Junkie, you know, in a much more progressive side of the political spectrum. I think, if you're reading widely, and kind of seeing how one single story plays out across a lot of different titles, and how people interpret that information, if the core piece of information is still kind of the same across all of those different headlines, then you know that that information is a little bit more trustworthy. If that kind of makes sense. Even though the angle might be different, or the spin might be different. If they're reporting on, like an environmental report, if the facts and figures of that report are the same, no matter where it's, you know, no matter where it's being published, where it's like, yeah, we can have a little bit more confidence in this. And I think that also is a good way of kind of like training those muscles of identifying like, okay, when does a piece of content feel like it's been motivated by more than information? Like, when is there more kind of energy behind this than a traditional news outlet might put, like, I think that's oftentimes kind of a clue. I read a tip actually, a couple of months ago, talking about COVID misinformation, which is obviously, you know, a really big issue for everybody at the moment. And that was saying that, usually with social media content, if someone is trying to deliberately, like, spread, perhaps slightly less trustworthy information, they will tend to include a call to action. So they'll actually say, hey, share this, make sure this information gets out there, like, help us spread the word because they're invested in that. Whatever that story might be, they got some sort of agenda for getting it out there. Where as you know, if you contrast that with a social media posts by the World Health Organisation, like they put the information there, but then they don't say, like, help us share this. They just say this is the stats, take care of yourself, like, you know, contact your GP, whatever it is, but they don't say like, like and share this post it. I don't know, I just thought it was a really interesting tip.
Sally McMullen
There's no extra agenda there. They just want to give the information.
Crystal Andrews
Yes.
Alex Hourigan
Zee Feed covers so many different topics. I also love that you are very conscious of having a balance of 'good news', in quotes, and kind of bad news, in terms of some are a little bit more lighthearted and make you feel good, and some are just gonna make you want to shove your head in a pillow and scream. So how do you go about finding and researching the news stories that you're going to report on?
Crystal Andrews
It's heaps of reading. It's an unhealthy amount of content consumption. Like definitely anyone who's listening who kind of, like, wants to get into media and wants to get into journalism, like, prepare yourself. You just have to constantly kind of see what people are talking about. What's part of like the cultural zeitgeist, you know, what reports are coming out, and there's no, like, shortcut to that it's really kind of time consuming, and it can be overwhelming at times. I get lost down a lot of Twitter thread, like, rabbit holes. TikTok at the moment, there are a lot of incredible conversations taking place there. And I know it probably depends what side of TikTok you end up on, you know, to what gets served up in your For You Page. But there are some incredible, like, conversations happening there, which are really worth I think, documenting and pulling out like what does this mean for us? My intention with Zee Feed, to kind of set it apart from every other news outlet out there, is to just always look at a topic and say, Okay, if young people care about this, we can get into it. And what I always want to do is answer the question of like, why does this matter for us? What is it saying about who we are, how can we understand this in the bigger picture? So, that really can be found anywhere, whether it's good news or more serious news.
Sally McMullen
You're obviously a qualified journalist and you've worked in media for years and years, you know, your stuff. But since Zee Feed is still kind of new, and has picked up massive success in the last 12 months, especially, are you ever worried about getting it wrong, sometimes yourself? Do you ever feel like massive pressure because of that?
Crystal Andrews
Yes, am I scared of getting it wrong? I'm constantly scared of getting it wrong. I talk about this with my psychologists a lot. So you know, that's where that's at. And you know, like, sometimes stuff is a bit wrong on the feed, like, as it is on every, you know, every media publication out there, we'll make mistakes, from time to time. I just try to be really transparent about if changes are made to a story, what changes were made, when were they made, like just being really transparent about those updates. I'm very active in the DM's on Instagram, and people will send in messages all the time with like updates, or like other little tidbits of information on a story that we're covering that they've seen. So I kind of feel grateful that the readers and the audience is so invested in like, delivering me information too because it makes it much easier. But I think transparency is best. Like, I don't know, I'm human, all journalists are human. Everyone's trying their best and they will, you know, make mistakes sometimes. So it's just about transparency. But yeah, I mean, that's just something that I'm probably going to have to work through for the rest of my life. How do I take the pressure off myself to be right all the time?
Sally McMullen
I think that's something that everyone can learn from whether you're a journalist or not, because we all have these platforms and cancel culture is so real, and we're consuming and spitting out content all the time. So there's, there's going to be room for mistakes and I think that transparency is key. If you can be like, alright, I screwed up. I was wrong.
Alex Hourigan
Yeah, I think there's also this bit of anxiety and nervousness around like, do I have a right to speak on this topic? Like I care about it? But can I even kind of speak to it? Because I may not necessarily be within this minority? Or, like, it doesn't directly affect me? And where do I sit in terms of being someone that's just adding to the noise and taking a step back and letting those who should be talking about it? Or are there people that should be talking about topics more than others, like it's so difficult to navigate, as Sal said, because cancel culture is so real, and people so quickly to jump on the front foot of being like, 'you don't know what you're talking about'.
Crystal Andrews
Yeah, it is so fraught, like it's so fraught at the moment. And I think part of that is a really good thing, is because there are more opportunities for anyone's voice to be heard now, which is in almost every way, it is so wonderful, because if we're not being held back by gatekeepers, we can hear a lot more voices. There is much more opportunity to share the mic, I think and just kind of spread that around. There does seem to me, to be a lot of speed with which people are jumping into conversations that they might not be prepared for themselves. So,
Alex Hourigan
I like that on Zee Feed though, something will be a trending topic, or something could be happening that day and sometimes you won't publish anything about it that day. And you'll be like, I'm gonna go educate myself on this, send your questions so I make sure I'm answering the questions that you need to know and want to know about, and then I'll get back to you. And I, I like that there's no, this is trending, I've got to get it out right now so it's on the top of the feed and it gets engagement, you're like, no, I'm just gonna wait and give the best kind of content I possibly can.
Crystal Andrews
Absolutely like, it's also very deliberate for my, for my own sanity, right, because I think a great portion of the media space, particularly the digital media space, there is a race to be first, because of the metrics that everyone's like, competing against each other in. Of course, there is a certain advantage to being first and getting that first shot at the audience and the engagement and everything that goes with it. And you know, I have to be realistic about the fact that I'm predominantly a one person team, I've got a little bit of help now, but up until now, I've been a one person team, like, can I compete with the editorial team the size of The Guardian? No. So you know what I'm going to do, I'm not going to try and compete with them, because that would just be setting myself up for failure. And you're so spot on in saying that I think there are a significant portion of Australians who actually want the media to just take a minute and just collect everything together and package it up nice and comprehensively first before just pushing it out. And so that's the space that I'm trying to play in, just, just wait a minute, and let's just see what unfolds and then let's answer the questions that young people actually have. Because you can go anywhere and get it, you know, pretty much every major news site has a live blog that runs every day now. So you can get the updates pretty much immediately. But you can't always get your questions answered in those live blogs. So, come to Zee Feed instead. Plug.
Alex Hourigan
If people wanted to do some digging for themselves, obviously Zee Feed, number one, but where else would you suggest for people to do some digging? And where should they start on any topics that they're interested in?
Crystal Andrews
I think the first thing that I like to do is just check, where do I already read? Like, what are my kind of favourite news sites, you know, do you really like reading The Guardian? Do you love the Sydney Morning Herald? Pedestrian? What do you naturally gravitate towards? And then, I like to go and find outm there's a really great political, like, spectrum graph that maps not all of the media in Australia, but a lot of the main news sites, it kind of outlines like where the majority of the audience falls on the political spectrum. I find that really helpful because a media organisation is going to write to their audience. So if their audience is like, mostly progressives, then they're going to kind of write with that in mind. And so if you notice that all of the titles that you like, are kind of this one way, then maybe you should deliberately go and seek out a few other titles that might be on the opposite side of the spectrum.
Alex Hourigan
I love that!
Crystal Andrews
You know what, it's probably going to make you mad. Like, it's probably gonna make you a bit angry. But at least you'll know what a lot of different opinions on the same news stories and the same developments are, I find that to be so helpful,
Alex Hourigan
We'll put that graph on the @twobrokechicks, Instagram, if you're listening to this, so you can go have a spicy little look at that.
Sally McMullen
I think that's such a good point. Because especially how social media algorithms work, we kind of get stuck in an echo chamber of, you know, maybe opinions or political leanings that we're already interacting with. And I know that I found that, you know, when I was talking to people about like the same sex marriage movement back in the day, or BLM, or, you know, COVID and vaccinations, I'm talking to all my like minded friends, you know, who are probably a little bit more on the progressive side of the spectrum, and consuming all that media. And then I'm, like, so shocked when I realised that other people don't feel the same way. So as much as you will get angry, absolutely, it's good to be aware and in tune with what other people are thinking, because that kind of rolls on to my next question. You literally wrote the book on how to win an argument. So what are your tips for having a constructive conversation or debate with someone when, you know, you two aren't on the same page? Or you think that they may be misinformed? AKA How do I educate that like, one racist uncle at the Christmas party?
Crystal Andrews
Writing how to win every argument was like, just a really eye opening experience for me as well, because I kind of started it from this place of like, you know, when you get into a bit of a heated debate about a topic that you really care about, and you know that you know, your stuff, like, you know that your argument is grounded, in fact, but then in the heat of the moment, like you can't remember all the stats, like they're all gone. So that's why I wrote the book, I was like, ee need a little guide, with all of the tidbits of information in it. But you know, to the point I was speaking to before, part of the research for that book was finding out like, what are the people who, you know, are on the opposite side of these arguments? What did they think? And so what are the arguments that they would put up? What are the questions that they would ask? Researching that was just super interesting to kind of find out how people come to the conclusions that they do. So I think to have the most fruitful conversations, to have conversations about these things, instead of arguments. I like to ask people to explain their point of view, like back to you really clearly, and to ask them why they think the way they do. Where did you hear that? Or why do you think that? And okay, well, how would that work and just keep drilling down until you get to something that has no more questions left, to kind of be asked. The interesting thing about that is a lot of the time, there is one emotion that sits underneath all of it and it's really just fear, simple fear. Like, that is something that we can all understand and we can all relate to, you know, just being scared that the world you know is going to change or that something is going to be taken away from you to be given to someone else like those are really kind of understandable motivations for other beliefs that may be are less understandable. So I think that would be the best advice to have it not be a full blown, you know, screaming match, is just try to find out, like, why those people think the way that they do and most of the time, it's quite relatable,
Our last little question for you is, it's a bit of a buzzword right now, but what is critical thinking and what are some strategies you can use to develop critical thinking skills?
I think critical thinking is really about just not necessarily taking things at face value. So maybe, you know, applying a little bit of scrutiny to an opinion, or a piece of information or a piece of content or media like thinking about how this, you know, little nugget of information might be different to how it is presented. That is just like a muscle, right? That you have to kind of keep flexing all the time. Sometimes I feel like critical thinking, it's almost like people are trying to tell us that we should always be sceptical or like there's always a negative take to something. But the truth is like, no, sometimes things are as they appear and it's like, the mainstream take is the take like, that's all there is. But I think it's more just about like, practising scrutiny. And if it's like, oh, could it be something else? Oh no, it actually does seem to be what it appears and that's fine. But if you find a little gap, or a little crack, or a thought process that you can continue to follow, that's where things kind of get interesting. But it's just yeah, it's just about practising. I guess, I don't know if I have any, like concrete strategies on that. A lot of it honestly, just comes from reading lots of people's opinions, reading lots of like, even social media comments, like, I'm one of those silly, silly people, who will like open up a long thread of social media comments of people arguing with each other, people I don't know, it's not like content that's on Zee Feed, it's not on my personal, you know, account. But wherever I find people arguing I'm like, hmm, what do these two people think? And like, how are they not understanding each other? And where are their ideas coming from? Like, it's quite, it can be quite illuminating.
Alex Hourigan
I've got five bucks on Ted from Melbourne!
Sally McMullen
Okay, well, before we wrap up the episode, it's time to play a little game of Pick Your Poison, which is essentially our version of this or that. So we'll give you a topic and then you tell us which one you prefer, which ones your poison.
Crystal Andrews
Brilliant. Okay, let's do this.
Sally McMullen
Christmas or your birthday?
Crystal Andrews
Oh, that is so hard. Because I do love that birthday is all about me but I have a really big family, big extended family, and Christmas is just like a really special time that we all get together, as I'm sure it is for lots of people listening, so I'm going to have to say Christmas.
Sally McMullen
Me too.
Alex Hourigan
Us too.
Okay, Netflix or YouTube?
Crystal Andrews
Netflix, at the moment. Yeah Netflix, they've had some absolutely ripper shows come out that just not, they're not letting me break this toxic relationship that we have with each other.
Sally McMullen
What's on top of the list?
Crystal Andrews
Well, I am still emotionally recovering from Squid Game. I don't know how everybody else was able to watch it so quickly, but it honestly took me a couple of attempts to get through the first episode. But of course, it's such a good story that then I was hooked and had to torturously, like take myself through the rest of these episodes, was not good for my anxiety. I was a mess. But wow. Incredible story just painful for me to like, steal my nerves through the whole thing.
Alex Hourigan
Well, 100% Daria or Jane?
Crystal Andrews
Daria. Yeah, my best friend and I love Daria. I mean, I feel like it's overdue a bit of a resurgence.
Alex Hourigan
I agree.
Crystal Andrews
Right? Because what was that like early 90s?
Alex Hourigan
Yeah.
Crystal Andrews
Why is Daria not returning with the resurgence of, of like all of the 90s stuff that's coming back. I'm mad about this now.
Sally McMullen
We're gonna see an infographic pop up on Zee Feed and it will be a critical thinking essay on why Daria needs her time in the sun.
Crystal Andrews
You know, that's honestly not a bad idea. I'm going to file that one away for later.
Alex Hourigan
Day drinks or evening cocktails?
Crystal Andrews
I think lately, day drinks. A beer in the arvo, in the sun and like a bowl of chips at the pub, that's what I'm craving for after three months of lockdown.
Alex Hourigan
A little 3pm wine gets the creative juices flowing.
Crystal Andrews
Absolutely. What do they say? It's like write drunk, edit sober. That's not an endorsement.
Alex Hourigan
Courtney and Travis or Megan and MGK, Machine Gun Kelly?
Crystal Andrews
I can see Courtney and Travis going for the long term, like I can see this kind of being endgame. I don't know if that's a popular take or not but,
Sally McMullen
Well they've been friends for a long time.
Alex Hourigan
Yeah.
Sally McMullen
So, they have some roots.
Crystal Andrews
You know she's having, just like, the best sex of her life.
Alex Hourigan
Oh my gosh, she's living.
Sally McMullen
And last but not least, dinner or dessert?
Crystal Andrews
Dinner. Definitely dinner, I'm not really sweet tooth. So if dessert was like a cheese platter, I could get around that, but no. I think a really good, filling, delicious, decadent dinner and I'm set.
Sally McMullen
Well thank you so much for joining us Crystal, I have learnt so much. We'll make sure to pop a bunch of links to Zee Feed, social media and the website, and also a link to your book in our show notes at finder.com.au/twobrokechicks.
Crystal Andrews
Thanks so much for having me.
Sally McMullen
Bye, girl!
Crystal Andrews
Bye!
Sally McMullen
That's it for another episode of Two Broke Chicks. Thanks again to Crystal Andrews from Zee Feed for coming on the show. Make sure to head to zeefeed.com.au and go to zee_feed over on Instagram to stay on top of the latest news headlines. As always, head to finder.com.au/twobrokechicks for our episode transcripts and show notes for today's episode. And show us some love, follow us on Spotify, Apple podcasts and wherever you listen to your fave shows. If you're feeling extra generous, please chuck us a five star rating and review on Apple Podcasts, we will love you forever, I swear. And you can find us over on Instagram @twobrokechicks. Feel free to slide into our DMs, let us know what you think of the show, if you have any questions or who you want us to chat to next. Thank you to our lovely producer, Pariya Taherzadeh and our talented friends over at Bamby Media for editing today's episode. And to you my darling, thank you for having us in your earholes. Till next time, bye bye.
Alex Hourigan
Bye!
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