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How to avoid a stigmatised property

Would you buy a house that had a dark past?

When you think about stigmatised properties, the Sef Gonzales home in Ryde, New South Wales, definitely comes to mind. It was the scene of a tragic triple murder.

In 2004, the property was sold to Ellen Lin and Derek Kwok. The agent failed to mention the property’s past.

When the couple picked up the local paper that week, they were shocked to find out they had bought one of the most infamous houses in Australia. After contacting the media, they were eventually given back their deposit and the agents who sold the property were fined $20,000 for failing to disclose information about the murders.

The Gonzales home has since been sold again to buyers who know about its history and law reforms put into place by the NSW government now force agents to disclose the history of a property to buyers.

Neil Jenman is the man who helped get Ellen Lin and Derek Kwok out of the sale.

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Jenman says what defines a stigmatised property can vary depending on a person and their beliefs, but there is a basic rule of thumb he follows.

In suburbs like Paddington and Balmain most homes are about 150 years old, so you can assume that in many of them people have died.

When we talk about a stigmatised property, we’re talking about one where there’s been a grisly murder, or something gruesome or horrible has happened there. - Neil Jenman.

Neil Jenman

  • Neil Jenman is a business consultant, public speaker and consumer advocate.
  • He's written a number of guides on real estate scams, property and success.
  • Neil has been in the real estate industry since the 1970s and regularly comments on property issues.

The downsides to buying a stigmatised property

Jenman estimates about 10% of people don’t care if the property they’ve bought has a stigma attached to it. But he says all property owners will care when they go on to sell the property.

For a "severe" stigma, he estimates a property loses about 10% of its value, which was exactly how much the Gonzales house lost after being resold.

After Ellen Lin and Derek Kwok had their deposit refunded and were released from the sale of the Gonzales home, reforms were introduced by the NSW Government to force agents (but not vendors) to disclose a property’s history.

Jenman says some vendors simply don’t disclose information about a property’s history and some agents pretend they don’t know even after being told by their vendor, but there are ways to find out.

How to avoid buying a stigmatised property

If you’re looking to buy a home, Jenman says you should always find out why it’s being sold.

"It could be because of a job transfer, or maybe the kids have grown up. There are legitimate reasons why and you need to find these out."

Another way he says you can avoid buying a stigmatised property is to be upfront with the seller’s agent.

"One way you can find out is by asking the seven-word question 'Is there anything else I should know?'", he says. "Say it to them very strongly and when they say no, ask them 'Are you sure?'."

If you do find something, Jenman says you have better grounds to dispute the sale with the agent.

The last safeguard is to ask other residents in the street about a property’s history.

"You should always meet the neighbours. Ask them 'What’s it like in these areas?'. They’ll always tell you".

A pre-settlement inspection can also help when trying to find out if a property has a bad stigma and is also a good way of checking what you’re paying for before settling.

Types of stigmatised properties

There are many different ways a property might have a stigma attached to it. These can include:

  • Criminal stigma. The property might have once been the scene of an illegal drug lab, brothel or other major criminal presence or event, such as a sexual assault.
  • Murder or suicide stigma. As the name implies, the property might have been the site of a murder or suicide which may be locally or even nationally known.
  • Debt stigma. This could be a property where previous occupants owed money and were pursued by debt collectors, whether legally or illegally. These debt collectors may then continue their harassment of the next occupants, mistakenly believing that their target still lives there.
  • Environmental stigma. This could include any health and safety issues related to the property, such as being in close proximity to toxic or chemical waste.
  • Phenomena stigma. This might be a property with well known claims of hauntings, ghosts or other paranormal activity.
  • Other stigmas. These could include proximity to violent or unsound neighbours or a property which has a stigma only to a select group of people.

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Infamous Australian properties

The Gonzales home, North Ryde,

The old Gonzales home is the pin-up for stigmatised properties in Australia. As mentioned above the property was sold to a couple but they backed-out of the deal once they found out their new home was the site of a triple murder.

Gonzales house

Read more about the Gonzales home

The McGurk home, Cremorne

Businessman Michael McGurk was gunned-down on the footpath in front of his Californian-style Cremorne bungalow in 2009. The property still sold in 2011.

The Lin family home, Epping

Five members of the Lin family were tragically murdered in their home in 2009. The home went on the market in March 2012, selling at auction for $766,000, quite a bit shy of the $985,000 median house price for the suburb.

Snowtown bank building, Snowtown

The Snowtown bank and adjoining house was the site of the "bodies in barrels" murders in 1999, where eight bodies were found in the vault of the property. The South Australian property sold late in 2012 after being passed in at auction months before.

Snowtown bank

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